A discussion of education in East Tennessee
some body please read this give me feed back please!!!!!!
Lets take a look at the nine “myths” about the H1N1 vaccine that children are being encouraged to examine, debunk, and actively encourage others to reject.
Here they are in sequence with our responses below, clearly showing that they are not myths at all, but are all based on legitimate information:
1. The flu is mild, so I don’t need to worry about getting a vaccine.
This is not a myth. The H1N1 flu is mild compared to the seasonal flu which kills some 30,000 people per year in the US alone. There has been no indication that more people than usual are getting the flu or dying from it.
“It’s mildest in kids. That’s one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic,” Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine last month.
In Canada too, the virus does not seem to be spreading quickly, a fact that has prompted the country’s top public health official to put the brakes on an early rollout of the H1N1 vaccine.
The virus could still mutate into something worse, but if it does that, the current vaccine will most likely be rendered obsolete anyway.
2. Since my region was hit hard in the spring, there won’t be a big reemergence this flu season.
Again, this is not a myth. The New York Times itself reported on the fact that doctors and health officials in areas that were subjected to H1N1 flu last spring are seeing very little evidence to suggest that the virus is returning in a much predicted “second wave”.
It is the theory of Dr. Thomas A. Farley, New York City’s health commissioner, and the doctor cited in the Times’ debunking piece, that up to 40% of the city’s population may have developed immunity to the virus.
3. The vaccine will be available too late to do any good
Not exactly a myth either. In Canada there are legitimate concerns that the vaccines are simply going to be too late to stop any spread of the virus. These concerns were published in the peer reviewed journal Science.
The vaccine may not do any good anyway because it is based on “mock up” vaccines that were produced in 2007 and 2008 for the H5N1 strain of influenza, not H1N1.
Even if the vaccine produces antibodies, that’s not the same thing as real-world immunity from a live virus, especially if the virus mutates.
As Mike Adams has pointed out in a recent article, statistically speaking the average American is 40 times more likely to be struck by lightning than to have their life saved by a swine flu vaccine.
4. The vaccine is unsafe, it could have dangerous side effects
The inserts to the H1N1 vaccines all state that it could cause all manner of adverse effects, including guillain-barre syndrome, vasculitis, anaphylactic shock and even death.
Why would the drug companies put that in the insert to the vaccine itself if it was a “myth”?
If it was a myth that the vaccines could cause side effects then why would the government waste time establishing an extensive tracking system to watch for side effects?
5. I can catch flu from the vaccine
The first available vaccines, in the form of nasal mist, contain live H1N1 virus. Their use could actually spur the spread of the virus where there is otherwise little activity, according to some medical experts.
A Canadian study led by Dr Danuta Skowronski of the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control and Dr Gaston De Serres of Laval University, Quebec has also found that seasonal flu jabs could double the risk of developing swine flu.
The World Health Organisation has dismissed the research as inconclusive, however some provincial and territorial public health authorities in Canada, including those in Ontario, have expressed great concern, leading to threats to delay or cancel mass vaccination programs.
6. The vaccine is untested. Manufacturers rushed the production of the vaccine to get it to the market
The vaccine has been fast tracked.
The pharmaceutical companies themselves admit that there is “no clinical experience in the elderly, in children or in adolescents” with their new vaccines.
7. The vaccine contains a dangerous adjuvant, a chemical added to enhance the immune response.
Both the Novartis and Glaxo-Smith Kline injectible vaccines will contain squalene adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed, meaning more vaccines can be produced.
Again, the New York Times itself reported on this last month.
There will be non adjuvanted H1N1 vaccines available, but there will not be enough for the projected number of people who have said they will get the vaccine.
Experts on Gulf War Syndrome have pointed out that the official, Congressionally-chartered Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses found evidence of a link between squalene and Gulf War Syndrome which warranted further study.
Micropaleontologist Dr. Viera Scheibner, who conducted research into the adverse effects of adjuvants in vaccines, wrote the following about squalene, as highlighted in researcher Stephen Lendman’s article on the adjuvant:
Squalene “contributed to the cascade of reactions called “Gulf War syndrome. (GIs developed) arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS, Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhea, night sweats and low-grade fever.”
As vaccine expert Dr. Meryl Nass has pointed out, since none of the US trials have so far used novel adjuvants, they fail to provide any information about the safety of adjuvanted vaccines.
Senior neurologists have also voiced concerns over the adjuvants in the vaccines.
8. The vaccine contains a dangerous preservative containing ethyl mercury
Again this is not a myth. As the Washington Post reported in the Summer, “Some of the vaccine will be stored in multi-dose vials containing thimerosal, an antibacterial additive that contains mercury”.
The vaccine inserts also list thimerosal in the vaccine’s ingredients.
Scientific studies have shown a direct relationship between thimerosal in flu shots and neurological disorders.
Cases of the neural development disorder autism amongst children have doubled since 2003, in line with an increase in the amount of thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines.
Epidemiologist Tom Verstraeten and Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado, both concluded that thimerosal was responsible for the dramatic rise in cases of autism, however, their findings were dismissed by the CDC.
Further studies have shown a decline in neurodevelopmental disorders after the removal of thimerosal-containing vaccines.
The science needs further study, that is clear, but to outright reject that the vaccines even contain the questionable substance is the stuff of farce. Why are we even having the debate if this is a “myth”?
9. I can get medicine if I do get sick, so the vaccine is not necessary
It is up to the individual or parent to choose whether to get the vaccine for themselves or their child. Saying that people who feel it is not necessary for them and their kids are wrong doesn’t make it so.
It is beyond the authority of a school or the government to surreptitiously teach a child that vaccines are necessary Tags: flu, H1N1, school, shot, swineflu
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Here they are in sequence with our responses below, clearly showing that they are not myths at all, but are all based on legitimate information:
1. The flu is mild, so I don’t need to worry about getting a vaccine.
This is not a myth. The H1N1 flu is mild compared to the seasonal flu which kills some 30,000 people per year in the US alone. There has been no indication that more people than usual are getting the flu or dying from it.
“It’s mildest in kids. That’s one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic,” Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine last month.
In Canada too, the virus does not seem to be spreading quickly, a fact that has prompted the country’s top public health official to put the brakes on an early rollout of the H1N1 vaccine.
The virus could still mutate into something worse, but if it does that, the current vaccine will most likely be rendered obsolete anyway.
2. Since my region was hit hard in the spring, there won’t be a big reemergence this flu season.
Again, this is not a myth. The New York Times itself reported on the fact that doctors and health officials in areas that were subjected to H1N1 flu last spring are seeing very little evidence to suggest that the virus is returning in a much predicted “second wave”.
It is the theory of Dr. Thomas A. Farley, New York City’s health commissioner, and the doctor cited in the Times’ debunking piece, that up to 40% of the city’s population may have developed immunity to the virus.
3. The vaccine will be available too late to do any good
Not exactly a myth either. In Canada there are legitimate concerns that the vaccines are simply going to be too late to stop any spread of the virus. These concerns were published in the peer reviewed journal Science.
The vaccine may not do any good anyway because it is based on “mock up” vaccines that were produced in 2007 and 2008 for the H5N1 strain of influenza, not H1N1.
Even if the vaccine produces antibodies, that’s not the same thing as real-world immunity from a live virus, especially if the virus mutates.
As Mike Adams has pointed out in a recent article, statistically speaking the average American is 40 times more likely to be struck by lightning than to have their life saved by a swine flu vaccine.
4. The vaccine is unsafe, it could have dangerous side effects
The inserts to the H1N1 vaccines all state that it could cause all manner of adverse effects, including guillain-barre syndrome, vasculitis, anaphylactic shock and even death.
Why would the drug companies put that in the insert to the vaccine itself if it was a “myth”?
If it was a myth that the vaccines could cause side effects then why would the government waste time establishing an extensive tracking system to watch for side effects?
5. I can catch flu from the vaccine
The first available vaccines, in the form of nasal mist, contain live H1N1 virus. Their use could actually spur the spread of the virus where there is otherwise little activity, according to some medical experts.
A Canadian study led by Dr Danuta Skowronski of the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control and Dr Gaston De Serres of Laval University, Quebec has also found that seasonal flu jabs could double the risk of developing swine flu.
The World Health Organisation has dismissed the research as inconclusive, however some provincial and territorial public health authorities in Canada, including those in Ontario, have expressed great concern, leading to threats to delay or cancel mass vaccination programs.
6. The vaccine is untested. Manufacturers rushed the production of the vaccine to get it to the market
The vaccine has been fast tracked.
The pharmaceutical companies themselves admit that there is “no clinical experience in the elderly, in children or in adolescents” with their new vaccines.
7. The vaccine contains a dangerous adjuvant, a chemical added to enhance the immune response.
Both the Novartis and Glaxo-Smith Kline injectible vaccines will contain squalene adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed, meaning more vaccines can be produced.
Again, the New York Times itself reported on this last month.
There will be non adjuvanted H1N1 vaccines available, but there will not be enough for the projected number of people who have said they will get the vaccine.
Experts on Gulf War Syndrome have pointed out that the official, Congressionally-chartered Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses found evidence of a link between squalene and Gulf War Syndrome which warranted further study.
Micropaleontologist Dr. Viera Scheibner, who conducted research into the adverse effects of adjuvants in vaccines, wrote the following about squalene, as highlighted in researcher Stephen Lendman’s article on the adjuvant:
Squalene “contributed to the cascade of reactions called “Gulf War syndrome. (GIs developed) arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS, Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhea, night sweats and low-grade fever.”
As vaccine expert Dr. Meryl Nass has pointed out, since none of the US trials have so far used novel adjuvants, they fail to provide any information about the safety of adjuvanted vaccines.
Senior neurologists have also voiced concerns over the adjuvants in the vaccines.
8. The vaccine contains a dangerous preservative containing ethyl mercury
Again this is not a myth. As the Washington Post reported in the Summer, “Some of the vaccine will be stored in multi-dose vials containing thimerosal, an antibacterial additive that contains mercury”.
The vaccine inserts also list thimerosal in the vaccine’s ingredients.
Scientific studies have shown a direct relationship between thimerosal in flu shots and neurological disorders.
Cases of the neural development disorder autism amongst children have doubled since 2003, in line with an increase in the amount of thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines.
Epidemiologist Tom Verstraeten and Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado, both concluded that thimerosal was responsible for the dramatic rise in cases of autism, however, their findings were dismissed by the CDC.
Further studies have shown a decline in neurodevelopmental disorders after the removal of thimerosal-containing vaccines.
The science needs further study, that is clear, but to outright reject that the vaccines even contain the questionable substance is the stuff of farce. Why are we even having the debate if this is a “myth”?
9. I can get medicine if I do get sick, so the vaccine is not necessary
It is up to the individual or parent to choose whether to get the vaccine for themselves or their child. Saying that people who feel it is not necessary for them and their kids are wrong doesn’t make it so.
It is beyond the authority of a school or the government to surreptitiously teach a child that vaccines are necessary Tags: flu, H1N1, school, shot, swineflu
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Permalink Reply by Debi on -
Misty, I'm not sure what sort of feedback you are looking for. I do agree with some of your article. However, autism rates doubling since 2003 is not really accurate. Thimerosal has been reduced from some vaccines since 2003. Thimerosal-containing flu shots were added to the schedule around that time, and that may have been what the article meant. Also, thimerosal is still in SEVERAL vaccines as stated by the FDA, not to mention aluminum was never removed, and most chemists state aluminum & thimerosal together increases the toxicity of both.
I was in a room where 22 adults were given the H1N1 flumist. 1 wk later I do have what appears to be a cold and I believe that is all it is and not from H1N1 'cause my kids also have mild colds. They were no where near the room where it was administered. However, that is not proof, just a personal observation.
I stand by the thought that medical procedures should be done between patient and practitioner WITHOUT pressure. It's called informed consent and seems to be lacking horribly in this nation these days. I couldn't imagine lining up kids to give ritalin to prevent bad behavior, or even lining up kids to give them all singulair to prevent allergy. It's a medical procedure and medical procedures have risks.
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Permalink Reply by Debi on
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BTW, when I stated it was inaccurate the autism rates have doubled since 2003, I did not mean to suggest autism has not increased. What I meant is that autism has actually tripled, it's just the lag time in getting CDC to admit it/update their data. When my daughter was dxed in 2001 the autism rate was said to be 1 in 250 in the ASD community, now the autism community has found rates as high as 1 in 50 in some parts of the nation, has high as 1 in 28 in the Somali immigrant population in Minneapolis. In one of my classes in college out of 30 of us, 4 of us had an offspring each with ASD; all were under the age of `18, 3 of them were under the age of 10. Not scientific but seems to me a worrisome sign of the future. 1 was Asperger Syndrome, the others were full-blown autism.
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Permalink Reply by Misty on -
What worries me the most is this statement here
"Squalene “contributed to the cascade of reactions called “Gulf War syndrome. (GIs developed) arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS, Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhea, night sweats and low-grade fever.”
and the fact that the drug is out over seas and in Canida and there has been 320 deaths linked to it mostly in Canida Yet there has only been 1 recorded death due to the Swin Flue for Eurip and 1 for Sweeden and I don't know how many in canida there killing more people by useing them as Gunni pigs then The Swin flu is killing The reguler flu kills 30,000 a year the swin flu is not a killer like they say but it is a good scaire tactic because it is a bad flu just not the Killer its made out to be. . . I've had the swine flu, the reg flu is worse Maaybe the colds you have are symptoms of the Squalene?
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Permalink Reply by Debi on
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I think there have been very bad data collected on the flu & H1N1 all the way around. However, I do not think, but am not certain, that squalene is in the flumists. I think the squalene is only in the injections, and there is mixed information as to whether it is in the injections. However, thimerosal is in a number of the H1N1 injections, and aluminum is in the injections, I do not know about the mists. Aluminum isn't a safe metal for the body, particularly when combined with mercury, and injecting it into the bloodstream is far worst of all.
Overall, things injected into the bloodstream have far more toxic potential than things in the respiratory/GI tract. GI & respiratory serve as filters for the body, injected into the bloodstream there is no filter until renal or hepatic functions remove the chemicals.
BTW, I think my nasal issues are a result of the mums I planted last week. I looked like a nut outside digging & sneezing, lol.
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Permalink Reply by Misty on
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infowars.net
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PrisonPlanet.com
They Are Gathering all news from Around the world on H1/N1 and the swinflu including the death rates of the flu and the shot.
Now china is rejecting it as well because there concerns of the safty of the shot is higher then there concern for the flu
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Permalink Reply by Debi on
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I have Google set to provide me with an alert each day on "autism" and one for "vaccines." That said, I try to stick with medical studies & journals. If I find a news story interesting I always, or almost always, try to find the scientific study from which the story came. Almost always the media has stretched, twisted, or manipulated the actual study in some way. Maybe they don't mean to, maybe they don't comprehend all the aspects of the study, I dunno. I've just found going straight to the data & critically thinking about the aspects of it are good. I do also read commentary on the studies, but usually only from people I trust.
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Permalink Reply by Misty on
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I have done the research and I trust this site I have read news from every day for about 2 years and at first when they talk about something I never know what to thank and sometimes I wouldn’t believe it but days weeks some times months latter the story I already new about and had followed the links pervaded by the sit on where they got there info , I would completely know about the story that TV and News Papers waited Months to report and it turns out they where right that’s why I trust this site. But it is a news site and every news site has some type of political thanking the only difference with this one is its not Republican or Democratic but the key is to look past that at the real info the site is trying to provide and the info that they are trying to warn you about.
I just want to make people aware
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Permalink Reply by Cathy McCaughan on -
From Wikipedia: "Alex Jones is a right-wing, conservative American talk radio host and filmmaker. Mainstream news sources have referred to him as a conspiracy theorist. Journalist Michelle Goldberg has stated in The New Republic that Jones represents "an old strain of American conservatism--isolationist, anti-Wall Street, paranoid about elite conspiracies--that last flowered during the John Birch Society’s heyday. His websites include Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com."
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Permalink Reply by Misty on
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Here is My responce don't belive everythang you here on Mainstream news this is why people like Alex are not main stream and are called conspiriters these too reporters for FOX News Refused to Lie now they no longer work for Fox news
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Permalink Reply by Misty on
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By the way Wikapedia is not what I ment by Research I said show me where I'm wrong and all your trying to do is bash Alex Jones I agree with his Politicl stand point every time he says something unbeliveble it ends up comeing true months even years latter
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Permalink Reply by Misty on
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also from my findings there has only been 67 deaths world wide from the virus theres 30,000 a year from the reg flu why are there using this as a scair tactec to get us to take a harmfull Vaccine http://www.samaylive.com/news/hini-pandemic-four-more-succumb-death... this is a link to a page that list every death from the swin flu
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Permalink Reply by Bob Hunter on -
Time to stop beating a dead horse! This conversation belongs on a political or medical blog - not here.
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